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Covering the Web: April 30/14

Covering The Web

Shining a spotlight on the head covering discussion happening worldwide.

  • Modest Monday: Garlands of Grace Review and GIVEAWAY!!!! (Raising Soldiers for Christ)
    “My journey with head covering I guess began as a child……Click on the giveaway and enter for your chance to win a head covering from Garlands of Grace!!!!” (Giveaway ends tomorrow, May 1st)
  • The history of headcoverings in the Church (Examiner.com)
    “While most Christian women today do not veil their heads, many are surprised to learn that wearing headcoverings was actually the rule throughout the history of the Church…Below is a list of quotations from historically important theologians that make it clear that wearing such coverings was the universal practice of the Christian Church.”
  • It’s never too late for Easter bonnets (With God’s Help)
    “I read a number of sites that had been suggested to me in order to better understand the arguments against headcovering. In the end, the most compelling reason to me is simply that it is commanded in the same breath that other directions we have been given and maintain are.”
  • Head Coverings and a Consistent Biblical Hermeneutic (Reformed Christian Theology)
    “Paul does not say “nor have the churches of God for now” or “in Greece” or any other qualifying phrase or context in which the commandment is given. If this is the case, how can we not interpret the command to be important and to be followed as a matter of obedience?”
Found an interesting link about head covering or biblical manhood/womanhood? Tell us about it here.

Comments

Sara June Thompson
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I enjoyed particularly the article on Easter bonnets as this lady is from a Pentecostal/Charismatic tradition as I am. And that she grew up wanting Easter bonnets (the last vestige of covering in churches where actual hats were used).

Jeremy Gardiner
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Thanks for sharing Sara! Nice to hear what articles people are reading and enjoying.

Blythe
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Paul’s writing have been used by the church to suppress women, and this site, and others like it, are perpetrating the Biblical idea that women are made for men, (Paul’s ‘natural use of women, Romans 1: 27) who are the glory of God (1 Corinthians 11:3-9), and women are ‘man’s glory. . The clearly implied chain of importance goes Christ first, man second, and woman last.

Kay
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Is Christ less important because He willingly submitted to the Father? Biblical submission (to her husband, or father, etc. ) is something a woman offers according to her own understanding and should be done in faith. Has the teaching been misused? Certainly. However, this by no means changes the truth in Scripture. Mankind has no need of biblical writings to abuse one another, or to put women in bondage. Western civilization, with its democracy, general equality of peoples, and the freedom we all love, came predominantly from a biblical understanding of a moral and humane approach to others.

Blythe
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Christ is god, according to the bible, as well as the son of god, he can not submit to himself. If he does , then he is not god. Western civilization has used the bible to keep women subjected for 2000 years, it was only when women fought for equality that it started to change.
But that is all beside the point, of course the bible has been used to abuse women and keep them silent, the teachings of Paul are full of verses, when read as they are written state very clearly that women are inferior to man. Let me ask you a question, what is it about women that makes them inferior to men?

Kay
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They are not inferior, but have a different position. Government, in all contexts, requires order. Christ did submit to the Father’s will in going to the cross. Does submission require inferiority? I would say absolutely not.

Employees submit to their supervisors, people submit to governments. Regardless of personal attributes. It takes a strong, secure perspective to joyfully rest in the place you’re given in life. (Christian or not)

Marriage gives us a picture of the relationship between Christ and the Church. If you don’t believe what the Bible teaches, then I can understand your aversion I suppose. But even secular scholars agree that Christian “culture” has done good things for humanity, certainly those societies that have embraced it as a majority.

Blythe

Marriage is not a employee/employer relationship, or a government/people relationship. The point is , why is the women the one who submits to the husband? Why, if someone needs to be in charge, (and I don’t agree one does) does it have to be the man? Can you answer that?

Kay

Human nature (in general). You can look at human history as an example. Modern perspective wants to attribute negative motives on all males for forcing women to be subject to them, but men and women are simply different. They compliment one another. There have always been exceptions, even in Scripture, but it has been the males that led most societies, and most civilizations have had patriarchal families. And certainly not only because of the Bible, not to mention Paul’s writings.

Blythe

What history tells is that people have not treated each other well. We do not need to carry on that way, We can chose new ways of interrelationships, based on respect, equality and mutual benefit. ,

Jeremy Gardiner

Blythe, I’m not sure what perspective you’re coming from so it makes it hard to answer you specifically. Having said that, here’s where we’re coming from: we’re a Christian site that stands on what the Bible says as authoritative. We believe the Bible communicates how God designed the world to function. The reason why it’s the man as opposed to the woman is because that’s the way God has ordered creation. He doesn’t reveal why He did that why, but He did. Some things God tells us, others he doesn’t. Deuteronomy 29:29 puts it like this: “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.”
What’s been revealed is for us to know, so that we may follow it. Secret things (things God hasn’t told us) is His and not for us to know.

Blythe

When looking at claims, sometimes the real answer is the most obvious. It seems more logical that some men liked being in charge of women, liked having their way with them, and used stories of a magic and divine force to instill fear into them. To say that there was a god who gave these instructions would need to have some very hard evidence behind it. This is lacking.

My concern is that you as a male, are using the bible to tell women what to do. This is not right.

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